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vamsi_poondla
10-10 05:07 PM
You may admire them as much as you want but fact is these are just "glorified" bodyshoppers. I meet many workers from these "great" companies at my workplace and see them being treated just as "low cost alternatives" and nothing else by this huge financial company in NY/NJ area. Because of their (INFY, TATA, Wipro, Satyam) "low billing rates" these guys cant afford good lifestyle. And back home in India INFY and TATA CEOs make billions and talk BIG. I've not met any TATA, Satyam guy here who is happy with their employer. They just hate their employers and always looking for a change. I wonder where they stand in terms of employee satisfaction? They treat their people like slave and send them as low cost labor. Not only that - they exploit US immigration rules and make use of L1 to keep their people long term at cliant place when they dont get enough H1.
No difference from local bodyshoppers! Dont think they are great companies. You may say "you folks are frustrated with these companies". But this is the fact. Period.
I think this thread is hijacked. I will also join the band :p I work for one of these companies (SWITCH - Satyam, Wipro, Infosys, Tata, Cognizant, HCL) and came on L1, became H1B and on the path of GC through the same company. Some of what you have said is correct that the employers are not paid same as what IBM US employers get (and of course what some consultants get). Some of the issues are working off-late hours and coordination effort etc.
The positive side of these companies is
1) Career advancement - One can really grow into lead and managerial positions if they have the aptitude
2) Technical Career Paths are there for those who are technically inclined.
3) Benefits - There are good benefits which usually may not be there for those working for desi-consultants
4) Support from a large pool of knowledge - If I face any issue, I post it in my company help forum, there will be many responses,some real good ones within a day.
5) More job security - companies are not yet used to down-sizing. In hard times, there could be some salary rationalization (which I think is OK - better than losing job) and increased utilization (again doesn't mean more work from individual it means optimal bench strength)
6) Growth - While it is debatable whether it can sustain the rupee strengthening or not, unless the company 's strategy is very narrow, nobody outsource for the cost alone...Many are simply build-or-buy decisions, and based on core-competency and risk management. Deals that are struck these days are multi-year, multi-million dollar ones which will provide guaranteed business over a long periods.
Coming to those who come on L1 or H1, most of them want to get an opportunity to work at client location to better their perspective (apart from Dollar conversion). Nobody comes here by force. Their priorities are always different than most of the forum readers' Their choices are also limited. Some leave as soon as they come here (I personally interviewed at least 10 folks last year who floated their resumes as soon as they landed here), some want to go back after working here few years, some switch to H1Bs through desi-consultants, thus enter rat race, some try to grow here in their company on long term basis.
Hope this clarifies few who pity SWITCH employees..
Again these are not "glorified" bodyshoppers. It is a very wrong impression. I am a manager at one of such companies. We have highest regards for our personnel, we strive hard to make a big difference, we compete with other service companies like Accenture, IBM and EDS, have high client focus and we feel proud about it. Never in ANY meetings or strategies we keep our employers' interest below anything.
No difference from local bodyshoppers! Dont think they are great companies. You may say "you folks are frustrated with these companies". But this is the fact. Period.
I think this thread is hijacked. I will also join the band :p I work for one of these companies (SWITCH - Satyam, Wipro, Infosys, Tata, Cognizant, HCL) and came on L1, became H1B and on the path of GC through the same company. Some of what you have said is correct that the employers are not paid same as what IBM US employers get (and of course what some consultants get). Some of the issues are working off-late hours and coordination effort etc.
The positive side of these companies is
1) Career advancement - One can really grow into lead and managerial positions if they have the aptitude
2) Technical Career Paths are there for those who are technically inclined.
3) Benefits - There are good benefits which usually may not be there for those working for desi-consultants
4) Support from a large pool of knowledge - If I face any issue, I post it in my company help forum, there will be many responses,some real good ones within a day.
5) More job security - companies are not yet used to down-sizing. In hard times, there could be some salary rationalization (which I think is OK - better than losing job) and increased utilization (again doesn't mean more work from individual it means optimal bench strength)
6) Growth - While it is debatable whether it can sustain the rupee strengthening or not, unless the company 's strategy is very narrow, nobody outsource for the cost alone...Many are simply build-or-buy decisions, and based on core-competency and risk management. Deals that are struck these days are multi-year, multi-million dollar ones which will provide guaranteed business over a long periods.
Coming to those who come on L1 or H1, most of them want to get an opportunity to work at client location to better their perspective (apart from Dollar conversion). Nobody comes here by force. Their priorities are always different than most of the forum readers' Their choices are also limited. Some leave as soon as they come here (I personally interviewed at least 10 folks last year who floated their resumes as soon as they landed here), some want to go back after working here few years, some switch to H1Bs through desi-consultants, thus enter rat race, some try to grow here in their company on long term basis.
Hope this clarifies few who pity SWITCH employees..
Again these are not "glorified" bodyshoppers. It is a very wrong impression. I am a manager at one of such companies. We have highest regards for our personnel, we strive hard to make a big difference, we compete with other service companies like Accenture, IBM and EDS, have high client focus and we feel proud about it. Never in ANY meetings or strategies we keep our employers' interest below anything.
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Humhongekamyab
02-21 12:55 PM
Thanks for the reply...
Initially I too got the same doubt that it could be a prank from my friend. But the name of the person who called me matches with the name of the person who visited my employer's office around 2 months back. After I got a call from ICE officer, I notified the same to my employer and explained about the call.
Really donno what to do.... Even though the ICE officer took prior appointment for visiting me, should I still contact attorney?
Don't let him come to your house w/o your attorney being present.
Initially I too got the same doubt that it could be a prank from my friend. But the name of the person who called me matches with the name of the person who visited my employer's office around 2 months back. After I got a call from ICE officer, I notified the same to my employer and explained about the call.
Really donno what to do.... Even though the ICE officer took prior appointment for visiting me, should I still contact attorney?
Don't let him come to your house w/o your attorney being present.
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09-21 11:47 AM
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shamu
01-11 09:46 PM
Dont worry...we are not alone. Infact, we (I and my wife) are going through this phase as we speak.
1) As someone else pointed group insurance is the best option so far in my research.
2)** Chk out this site: http://www.aim.ca.gov/english/costs.html I am planning to apply soon hoping that we will qualify
3) Call a OBGYN and tell them that you dont have insurance, generally they will suggest a community center kind of a place where you can get started with prenatal care, such as re-confirmation, ultrascan etc
4) Call the hospital for the payment plan and get into it.
Good luck to us.
**EDIT: Point 2 is for CA residents only.
Thank you very much, I wish you both good luck.
I am trying to find options with hospitals with maternity plan.
thank you very much.
i will post my options and results in this forum which would be helpful for all.
once again thank you and thank you all!
1) As someone else pointed group insurance is the best option so far in my research.
2)** Chk out this site: http://www.aim.ca.gov/english/costs.html I am planning to apply soon hoping that we will qualify
3) Call a OBGYN and tell them that you dont have insurance, generally they will suggest a community center kind of a place where you can get started with prenatal care, such as re-confirmation, ultrascan etc
4) Call the hospital for the payment plan and get into it.
Good luck to us.
**EDIT: Point 2 is for CA residents only.
Thank you very much, I wish you both good luck.
I am trying to find options with hospitals with maternity plan.
thank you very much.
i will post my options and results in this forum which would be helpful for all.
once again thank you and thank you all!
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mbawa2574
07-10 09:13 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fx--jNQYNgA
Let's send as many letters to CNN and get his ass fired.
Let's send as many letters to CNN and get his ass fired.
chanduv23
10-10 11:05 AM
After folks start getting their EAD, God alone knows how many "New" desi bodyshopper's like this will spring up.
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
H1b body shopping is not a proper business model, these people are utilizing the loophole in the skilled immigration system and making money and become rich overnight. Once the loophole is closed, they cannot survive. They do not have a business model or skill. Same goes with the Attorneys who associate with them. In fact it will get worse for those Attorneys as big companies only go to big law firms.
Those who worked hard in their career path will never resort to such business model.
What comes easily and fast also goes away easily and fast. Lets not worry much about them.
A lot of hard working skilled workers do work with consulting companies. These people must know how to deal with these companies.
I am contracting at a Startup - since its inception, I report directly to the company's boss. I see him go through so many things trying hard to beat competition, funding, road blocks, beurocracy, lobbying for clearances, marketing, it is extremely tough to come up with innovative business modal and then survive, but the best of the best survive and make it big. People learn quickly from mistakes and work their way up the ladder.
The bodyshoppers do not go through this, they have just sprung up in thousands, figured out it is easy money. They never realised that things change and they must know how to survive these changes - and most of them wont.
It would be interesting to see how Infy, Wipro etc... will do business when $ == 32 Rs, they will start looking for offshoring to African countries where $ is cheaper.
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
H1b body shopping is not a proper business model, these people are utilizing the loophole in the skilled immigration system and making money and become rich overnight. Once the loophole is closed, they cannot survive. They do not have a business model or skill. Same goes with the Attorneys who associate with them. In fact it will get worse for those Attorneys as big companies only go to big law firms.
Those who worked hard in their career path will never resort to such business model.
What comes easily and fast also goes away easily and fast. Lets not worry much about them.
A lot of hard working skilled workers do work with consulting companies. These people must know how to deal with these companies.
I am contracting at a Startup - since its inception, I report directly to the company's boss. I see him go through so many things trying hard to beat competition, funding, road blocks, beurocracy, lobbying for clearances, marketing, it is extremely tough to come up with innovative business modal and then survive, but the best of the best survive and make it big. People learn quickly from mistakes and work their way up the ladder.
The bodyshoppers do not go through this, they have just sprung up in thousands, figured out it is easy money. They never realised that things change and they must know how to survive these changes - and most of them wont.
It would be interesting to see how Infy, Wipro etc... will do business when $ == 32 Rs, they will start looking for offshoring to African countries where $ is cheaper.
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meridiani.planum
03-26 09:40 PM
I have my TX license till 06-2013. With the new rules, I heard that DMV's in Dallas are issuing vertical cards which has an expiration date of EAD/H1b expiry date. I recently moved to a new apartment. When i try to change the address online it is asking me to go the nearest DMV. I dont want to loose my current license which has expiry till 2013. Is it OK if i dont change my new address on my drivers license or is there a way to get my new card with the old expiration date. my current EAD expires on 10/2009.
just mail in the change of address (Snailmail)
just mail in the change of address (Snailmail)
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indyanguy
12-13 06:27 PM
I tried to recruit 3 guys with 7-8 yrs of experience. We already have a 12 member offshore team...the average asking rate (H1s and citizens) is 90K ..H1B quota restriction is working in our favor very much. Market rate for IT professionals has increased quite handsomely..put ur resume out to dice or monster and see for urselves.
I don't think 90k for someone with 7-8 years of experience is high in most parts of US. Market rate for IT professionals might have increased in people working with niche technologies. But in general, I see a down trend. And with more people in the job market in Jan 08 (with AC21), I can predict the rates heading south.
I don't think 90k for someone with 7-8 years of experience is high in most parts of US. Market rate for IT professionals might have increased in people working with niche technologies. But in general, I see a down trend. And with more people in the job market in Jan 08 (with AC21), I can predict the rates heading south.
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02-03 10:42 AM
You voted for me?? :beam:
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you�re the best! :P
did i mentioned you have the best footer? ;)
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jediknight
04-23 06:08 PM
I totally agree that non-white folks will be inspected by cops during the initial period of enactment of the law. What's the big deal about it. We will be stopped by cops. They will check our papers and will leave us, won't they? The same is true for Latinos (if they are here legally).
You think this is Ok. What's if you have forgotten to carry your papers?
BTW, Look if these folks were serious about illegal immigration, they would push E-Verify and would have massive fines and jail time for employers who employ illegal.
They would also clean up the legal immigration queues to ensure that there is no 10 to 20 year wait for someone who was born in Mexico or India or China.
And finally have a legal guest worker program for low skilled laborers.
These above three items would solve the immigration issue and were actually proposed by George Bush in 2006.
- JK
You think this is Ok. What's if you have forgotten to carry your papers?
BTW, Look if these folks were serious about illegal immigration, they would push E-Verify and would have massive fines and jail time for employers who employ illegal.
They would also clean up the legal immigration queues to ensure that there is no 10 to 20 year wait for someone who was born in Mexico or India or China.
And finally have a legal guest worker program for low skilled laborers.
These above three items would solve the immigration issue and were actually proposed by George Bush in 2006.
- JK
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jonty_11
07-06 02:17 PM
We need someone to youtube this and help with the media campaign!
Can someone record and post this....?
Can someone record and post this....?
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Gravitation
12-13 12:49 PM
Of course, we are no more than modern day white collar slaves. We toil here for years, our spouses aren't even allowed to have a social security number, not to mention drivers licenses in many states. We are not even allowed to visit our families in our home countries without having the risk of not getting the visa re-stamped in the consulates abroad. How pathetic! Can't we all move to Canada and setup a colony for free slaves?
Look, the situation is terrible but let's not get carried away. We're still here by choice. We bargain going through all this for having the life we have here and not having the energy enough to unroot and head to Canada, Aus or Europe.
Look, the situation is terrible but let's not get carried away. We're still here by choice. We bargain going through all this for having the life we have here and not having the energy enough to unroot and head to Canada, Aus or Europe.
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go_guy123
06-24 01:39 PM
If this is true, how come CIR is one of the main agendas of democratic party. Also remember hispanic votes were a deciding factor in the last election. GOP acknowledges that. Moreover voters demographics has changed since last election. Electorate is comprised of higher percentage of forward thinking younger generation.
IMO anti-immigrant racist voter percentage will be on decline in coming years. So democrats/gop is better off catering to the likes of this younger generation.
Actually it is like the "Gareebi Hatao" (translation: Remove Poverty) slogan for the Democratic party. Something to be used in certain districts for election only.
Just like Gay Marriage issue for Republican party.
In fact Rahm Emanuel (key strategist of the democratic party and one of the people credited for the success of the Democratic party in the election) said immigration
is the third rail of American politics.
It is the independent voters that decide a election, not the core democratic(ultra liberal) or core republican(ultra right wing) supporters. Passing an CIR will piss off
a significant portion of these independents and will create a swing against the Democratic party. A very small swing can create devastating losses in the swing
states.
The immigration issues is in a factor in the 1st generation Hispanic community whose parents are illegals.
Even the younger generation wants illegal immigration control.
IMO anti-immigrant racist voter percentage will be on decline in coming years. So democrats/gop is better off catering to the likes of this younger generation.
Actually it is like the "Gareebi Hatao" (translation: Remove Poverty) slogan for the Democratic party. Something to be used in certain districts for election only.
Just like Gay Marriage issue for Republican party.
In fact Rahm Emanuel (key strategist of the democratic party and one of the people credited for the success of the Democratic party in the election) said immigration
is the third rail of American politics.
It is the independent voters that decide a election, not the core democratic(ultra liberal) or core republican(ultra right wing) supporters. Passing an CIR will piss off
a significant portion of these independents and will create a swing against the Democratic party. A very small swing can create devastating losses in the swing
states.
The immigration issues is in a factor in the 1st generation Hispanic community whose parents are illegals.
Even the younger generation wants illegal immigration control.
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rangaswamy
08-05 01:44 PM
Is this supposed to be cribbing, just for the heck of it? In what way can getting a 2 yr EAD be bad news?
For EB ROW, if they issue 1 yr EAD...does tht mean their 485s are not approved for at least 1 yr?
First off its only informational, so other people know that even with PD being current you can receive 2 year EAD.
Well, good news because i don't have to worry about renewing it for another 18 months, bad news because does it mean my 485 is nowhere near processing.
Either way im not fretting about it, when its my turn i will get it. It was just a statement.
For EB ROW, if they issue 1 yr EAD...does tht mean their 485s are not approved for at least 1 yr?
First off its only informational, so other people know that even with PD being current you can receive 2 year EAD.
Well, good news because i don't have to worry about renewing it for another 18 months, bad news because does it mean my 485 is nowhere near processing.
Either way im not fretting about it, when its my turn i will get it. It was just a statement.
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Kushal
11-21 07:16 PM
Thanks...I'm not in the 16th district, but if I'm not wrong digital2k is. I will talk to him and schedule a meeting with Zoe very soon...
I was looking for some one who is from Dis 16th. Please start movement rfom there.. ( her office ) do let me know what comes out. I am ready with next action iteam.. call list... unless she agrees nothing can start except media drive.
I was looking for some one who is from Dis 16th. Please start movement rfom there.. ( her office ) do let me know what comes out. I am ready with next action iteam.. call list... unless she agrees nothing can start except media drive.
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anshulk77
08-10 11:23 AM
I believe if you get a receipt notice , that means your initial evidence is ok
That you have send the right documents, but it doesnt mean it cant be rejected in the future
Experts correct me if I am wrong
Receipt Notice means they accepted the case for reveiwing. I guess these rejections came after they reveiwed the case.
That you have send the right documents, but it doesnt mean it cant be rejected in the future
Experts correct me if I am wrong
Receipt Notice means they accepted the case for reveiwing. I guess these rejections came after they reveiwed the case.
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Kitiara
02-05 05:10 AM
Wow, I've got three votes now... :)
Love the castle, and the background work for it.. Kinda looks like one of those Aztec Mayan thingers you see in the mountains or whatever Thank you very much... It's actually a castle from here in England, near Gloucester. Used to go up around there on holiday when I was a kid, and I had some old holiday snaps.
There's lots of ruined castles round here (there's one 15 minutes from where I live in fact, called Rochester Castle) so I wanted to draw one of those, do something a bit different.
But Soul and Eilsoe are in a whole new league with their pixel art. :)
Love the castle, and the background work for it.. Kinda looks like one of those Aztec Mayan thingers you see in the mountains or whatever Thank you very much... It's actually a castle from here in England, near Gloucester. Used to go up around there on holiday when I was a kid, and I had some old holiday snaps.
There's lots of ruined castles round here (there's one 15 minutes from where I live in fact, called Rochester Castle) so I wanted to draw one of those, do something a bit different.
But Soul and Eilsoe are in a whole new league with their pixel art. :)
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PG75
09-30 02:43 PM
Thank you very much illionois_alum :)
Title field is for your title or how would you like USCIS to address the applicant as...Mr/Ms/Mrs/Dr etc...
Title field is for your title or how would you like USCIS to address the applicant as...Mr/Ms/Mrs/Dr etc...
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gk_2000
08-02 01:26 PM
well this is your time. with eb3 row 2009, you probably are in wait for at least 5 years. Anyway the point is, no country would be stupid enough to stop great talent from coming through to satisfy it's diversity policy. When you are talking about 0.14 million immigrants for a nation of 300 million, that's less than 0.05%. So please take your diversity argument with you and don't let the door hit you on your way out. For this miniscule percentage, the US will lose out on thousands of the best Indian and Chinese engineering/science talent. US's loss, India/China's gain. If this is not an example of an extremely stupid strategic policy then I'm not sure what is.
Oh and by the way, may not be me or you waiting for Indian/Chinese GC's but could be your kid and mine. Let's have this talk again in a decade or two given GDP growth,debt and deficits of US and GDP growths/deficits/market size of India/China.
tanu, do you realize that the above is nothing but a rant? isantem is not responsible for making the rules so why beat him up? What he said is nothing but the facts to the best of his knowledge
Yes, go ahead, give me reds. From your behavior I feel you may be one of those immature types who will red anyone who disagrees..
Oh and by the way, may not be me or you waiting for Indian/Chinese GC's but could be your kid and mine. Let's have this talk again in a decade or two given GDP growth,debt and deficits of US and GDP growths/deficits/market size of India/China.
tanu, do you realize that the above is nothing but a rant? isantem is not responsible for making the rules so why beat him up? What he said is nothing but the facts to the best of his knowledge
Yes, go ahead, give me reds. From your behavior I feel you may be one of those immature types who will red anyone who disagrees..
pappu
09-01 07:46 AM
It worked now after 2 days. I think my explorer settings need work. I don't know much about them
I have never thought about slogans. Will keep that in mind. What is the deadline?
We need a slogan that mentions H1B's contribution to Social Security. I have not been able to find an article that mentions it. There are lot articles that mention undocumented workers contribution in billions. Just imagine how much we must have contributed and NO ONE mentions it
also scan through the vivek wadhwa report and pick a few lines to use as slogans from it. we need it this long weekend. Franklin is working on collecting them and finalizing it. we are running short on good slogans
I have never thought about slogans. Will keep that in mind. What is the deadline?
We need a slogan that mentions H1B's contribution to Social Security. I have not been able to find an article that mentions it. There are lot articles that mention undocumented workers contribution in billions. Just imagine how much we must have contributed and NO ONE mentions it
also scan through the vivek wadhwa report and pick a few lines to use as slogans from it. we need it this long weekend. Franklin is working on collecting them and finalizing it. we are running short on good slogans
qualified_trash
12-13 06:56 AM
Reading the bulletin thread and prediction thread is good enough to prepare for GMAT problem solving area. I love these analysis and conclusions.
I only submitted my opinion based on facts (quarterly release of visa nos. by DOS is well known fact)......... :-))
but you are right and I am starting GMAT prep.
I only submitted my opinion based on facts (quarterly release of visa nos. by DOS is well known fact)......... :-))
but you are right and I am starting GMAT prep.
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